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Flash - Elsay Explorer

27 Jun 2010 08:30
Location: 
Deep Cove, BC (starting from Panorama Park)

This is a trail run on a trail which many of you have run past but few probably know called the Lower Elsay Trail.  It will take an average of probably around 6-8 hours.  The trail is well marked aside from the entrance, with tree tags.  In general keep cutting across many creeks and gulleys around the same altitude, and do not head towards the water unless you are sure you are on the Lower Elsay Trail.

It is a flash event, just show up at 8:30 am at the Panorama Park parking lot in Deep Cove if you would like to participate, although if you are planning to participate please post a note on here in advance if you can so I know how many to expect and get some idea of what we'll be doing.  If there are only a few people or everyone is in a reasonably similar range of speed than we may do it as  one group, or we may decide to break up in small groups.  Please bring a set of instructions and preferably also the maps, to be sure that if we do split into groups every group will havea set.  It is always good to a have a second navigator too especially on a trail like this which is easily lost in some of the creek crossings escpecially.

It is a great running trail, except that it can be rough and overgrown in spots.  There are creek crossings, some involving getting your feet wet, but none are particularly dangerous under normal conditions.  There is one short eroded slope, where a rock slide has wiped out the trail, where extreme caution must be exercised.  This is on the way down to the fourth or fifth creek crossing I believe.  There is also an easy scrambling section going above a cliffy slope, if you are not good with scrambling or heights then this may not be the run for you.  If that is the case, consider continuing on the Three Chop Trail up to Mount Seymour, then there are numerous options if you want to tack on some distance, or you can just head back down Three Chop to the BP and back to Deep Cove for a roughly 1.5-2 hour run.  Or head along the Lower Elsay until you don't feel comfortable and turn around there.  Finally if you are out for a long one but don't like a but of danger, then you could follow Three Chop all the way up to Mount Seymour, then head along the Elsay Lake Trail and meet the other runners at or near the top.

The course is as follows:

- Baden Powell trail westbound from Panorama Park to Indian River Drive

- Frances Creek Trail (across the street 10m to the right from where the Baden-Powell takes         you out onto Indian River Drive) to Three Chop Trail

(There are a couple of branches to the Frances Creek Trail, but they should all meet back up eventually.  Basically just head uphill and towards Frances Creek)

- Three Chop Trail from intersection with Frances Creek Trail to intersection with Lower Elsay Trail (small unmarked at first trail just past large decrepit wooden bridge over Frances Creek)

(This section is only a few hundred metres at best.  Three Chop Trail comes up from a crossing over Frances Creek.  Stay on the same side on the creek, following it uphill.  A fairly major trail with obvious heavy bike use which I believe has orange square tree markers heads downhill on the right side.  Do not follow this trail.  Instead look for a less obvious trail just past the decrepit wooden bridge over Frances Creek.)

- Lower Elsay Trail northbound.  Turn right onto this trail just past the decrepit wooden bridge over Frances Creek, which is easy to miss but is soon marked by square metal tree tags, sometimes plain tin and sometimes orange.  It crosses many streams and gullies, some with washed out bridges, or non existant bridges and a steep cliffy slope where you are forced to use your hands a bit.  There is a major intersection indicated by a tin arrow directing you left and uphill.  Eventually the trail will reach the Elsay Creek Valley where it heads decidedly uphill to Elsay Lake.

(Watch out for many intersecting trail which usually head down to Indian River Drive or beaches or communities along the Indian Arm, such as Best Point, and Thwaytes.  The first is not too far in, a mountain bike trail that crosses diagonally from a flat piece of rock above to a steep downhill.  Head straight across.  Other than that there are many small intersecting trails you will encounter, and places to get off the trail, and wind up going down to the Indian Arm.  Always keep your eye out for metal tree markers, and generally if you don't see them, you're off the trail, many of the side trails having flagging tape and the flagging on the Lower Elsay Trail is not consistent.)

- Elsay Lake Trail to Elsay Lake.  Turn right onto the Elsay Lake Trail to head to Elsay Lake.  Opportunities for peak bagging abound.   Or just check out the lake and continue on the course.

- Elsay Lake Trail to Mount Seymour trail.  Double back along this trail to the intersection with the Lower Elsay Trail, but this time continue along the Elsay Lake Trail past the Lower Elsay.  Continue on to the intersection with the Mount Seymour Trail.

- Mount Seymour Trail to Mystery Lake Trail.  Head downhill (left) on the Mount Seymour Trail, until the Mystery Lake trail.

- Mystery Lake Trail to Parking lot area.  The trail starts near Mystery Peak then heads towards the bottom of the ski resort.

- Perimeter Trail to Three Chop.  Take the trail towards Flower Lakes/Goldie Lake from the left side of the parking lot area as you are looking downhill.   Turn left towards Goldie Lake, but turn right before the lake unless you are a keener and want to do some bonus mileage running around the lake.  Once you are out of Goldie Lake Loop go left onto the Perimeter Trail. 

- When you reach the intersection with Three Chop Trail, turn left, and downhill.  Follow this back to the Frances Creek Trail (remember not to cross the creek or you'll end up running along the road to the Baden Powell).

- Turn left onto the Frances Creek Trail near where Three Chop crosses Frances Creek.  Follow this down to Indian River Drive.

- Find Baden Powell 10m to the right across the road.  Follow back to Deep Cove.

Entry: There is no fee and you don't need to be a member of Club Fat Ass to participate in a Flash event, however whining is not allowed. No registration is required but please indicate your participation via the comment form below. You are responsible for your own well being and safety and should be self sufficient.

Please read the Release of All Claims. By participating in this event you agree to the terms of the Release of All Claims.

 

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Ryan Conroy's picture

Event Report

Only two of us started, myself and Jude.

The first part of the run was easy, just ran at a casual pace up the Baden-Powell to Indian River Driver, across and up the Frances Creek Trail.

Soon we were on the Lower Elsay Trail, which was in quite good shape at first.   A lot of the blowdown/debris had been removed since I was last on it.  We made good time to the scrambling section. 

Once we got across there the trail was overgrown in places, and there was more debris.  Looks like there is trail maintenance in progress that hasn't reached the further sections.  We managed to more or less stay on path, with a few times having to search around a bit in overgrown places.

Once we began to head up the Elsay Valley the trail became a lot less easy to follow.  We ended up bushwhacking around several times looking for it but didn't have any huge struggles following it aside from that.  There was a large cave mouth that the trail passes by in this area.

The climb up to the intersection with the Elsay Lake Trail seemed exceptionally short, although because we were concerned about running out of time we elected to skip the trip to the lake and head toward Mount Seymour immediately. 

After some more climbing there was starting to be snow all around us, although the trail was clear at first.  Then we reached a scree slope where we were forced to cross across the snow.  It was not that bad but a sign that the day was about to get very difficult.

We headed across and continued following trail markers that were visible in the trees on the now snow covered everywhere trail.  We came to another scree slope, this one decidedly steeper.  We could see a marker on a large boulder on the far side and headed for that.  Once we got there it was not clear where to go.  There was a large cliff and it was obvious that we had to go either right and above it or left and below it.

To the left there was a band of melted snow where we could see no sign of a trail so we elected to go right.  The climb up there was difficult as it was about the steepness of a ski run.  Complicating matters was that Jude had fallen off Mount McFarlane recently and was concerned about a slide.  We did not think we would encounter this kind of snow and had not brought ice axes.  Although there were no cliffs below us and the slope basically ended in a bowl, there were numerous rocks, and other hazards.  We got quite a ways up when we decided for safety reasons we would have to turn back and brave what could easily be a 6 hours trip back to the cars on the route we came.  At the top of this slope was some extremely steep gulleys, none of which we had the gear to be going up.

We slid back down to where the marker was.  I went over in the direction we had decided not to go for one last check before taking the long way back.  I saw a marker in a tree!  I called Jude and she came over, and we headed towards it, unfortunately it was a not a marker but missing square patch of bark.  However, I noticed in a melted spot and obvious rocky trail under the snow.  We headed along in the direction it appeared to go.

The most obvious looking route back into the forest had no markers so we turned back and searched around some more.  Eventually after hunting around quite a bit, I came across a bit of flagging in a tree.  We heade up just past where the flagging was, and it seemed to dead end.  There was lot of rotten looking snow just before the flagging and we figured that it wouldn't be past the trail se we decided just to bushwhack up to the top of this little peak and see what we could see.  At first nothing.  Then above where the rotten looking snow was a marker. 

From here things got a lot better, we did lose the trail several times and we did a lot of bushwhacking but there were markers fairly consistently when we were on the trail.  There were a few scary points where there was a short steep snow slope we had to cross with steep bushy cliffs below where it would not be a lot of fun to slide out.  Eventually we could see a lot of tracks across the way and we had arrived just across a big gulley from Seymour Mountain Resort.  It took a bit of climbing and of course some more bushwhacking but soon we were descending a snowy gulley to where the tracks were.  Finally back in relative civilisation, we followed the tracks out and were pretty soon headed towards the parking lot area.

We passed some guys who went out hiking in running shoes and were even way less prepared than us for snow conditions.  They said they had just hiked to Brocton Point and back and were wondering if there was another trail.  Well the trail is not possible to follow, but they could follow our footsteps and risk sliding off the mountain but we didn't recommend it.

We had tried to call for a ride, but I had the car and my sister and her fiancee were on the way over but not there yet, so we decided just to run to Deep Cove.  The last bit was pretty uneventful, until I decided we should cut some time off by heading straight on Three Chop to the power lines, then bushwhacking down.  Not a good idea again, although we did score some delicious ripe salmon berries and get to see some goats!  (The driveway near the power lines leads to several houses/cabins with a goat pen).  We ran down the driveway hoping to not get spied by the hicks who owned all the off road vehicles sitting around.

Back on the Baden-Powell we made pretty good time back to the cars, thankful that this little adventure was over with after nearly 10 hours.

Thanks to Jude for being such a good sport and so brave in face of tough conditions.

The moral of this story is always bring an ice axe if you even think there is the slightest possibility of snow.  And that Seymour holds an extremely huge amount of snow well into the summer compared the our other local mountains, it was down almost all the way to the parking area.

 

 

juDE Ultra's picture

 you captured it ... oh so

 you captured it ... oh so beaUtifully!  :)

ceegee's picture

Would have loooooooved to do

Would have loooooooved to do this, I've hiked that trail and running it would be spectacular!

But I'm working night shift tonight, sleep might be a prerequisite to running this thing...

 

If you're gonna put this on again, I'm definitely IN.

juDE Ultra's picture

..who needs sleep....

..who needs sleep.... slightly overated!  It helps create the experience...

8:30 right? okay, lets do it.

juDE Ultra's picture

Im in!

 DOn't know the trails well, but im always into a good Adventure :)

Serious considering

I would like to participate. But the weather condition seems not stable on Sunday when I monitor the weather website everyday recently.

Ryan Conroy's picture

Looks like scattered showers

If you are worried about the creeks, it would have to be very heavy rain for them to be much of an issue.  These are small creeks that swell up only in extreme conditions.  Forecast says sunny with scattered showers right now.

Anyway if you want to play it by ear just make sure you show up before 8:30, if we don't know you're coming obviously we don't know to wait for you.

Ryan

 

 

too late

Sigh~, hope to join you next time.

It is late now, and I am just home back from Grouse Grand with my ankel twisted.

Although I could still walk, but not good to run/hike for couple of hours.

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